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Gh'hoo de precetàvModifica

Alora, gh'hemm on bel mestee de fà, e gh'hoo besogn del jutt de tucc [@ Eldomm, SurGrimm, Ninonino, G195, Glz19, Mondschein]. In pratega 'na veggia cognossenza brianzoeula l'ha scritt on mugg de vos in la Categuria:Attór. Di vos hinn valid e poeudom tenìj, ma boeugna categorizzài mej, di alter gh'hemm de scassàj. Donca ve domandi de:

Dervì on poo de vos de la categoria
Vedè se poeudom tenìj (per esempi se la gh'ha no Wikidata o l'è domà ligada a Wikipedij piscinitt o tropp curta l'è de scassà)
Se sì, mett el template {{categorizzà}} o fàll direttament, se no mett el template {{delete}}.

Va ben? --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 16:00, 1 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Ok, ind i dé qi vegn ma sa mete dree a far-l --Glz19 (ciciarade) 00:31, 2 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Hoo vest qe tante de qi pajine qé i g'ha ol Mudel:Infobox person, qe però al fonziona mìa. G'è vergun qe al ga riva a sistemar-l? --Glz19 (ciciarade) 14:41, 2 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Hoo finid de categorizzar-i --Glz19 (ciciarade) 10:49, 5 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees electionsModifica

Please accept our apologies for cross-posting this message. This message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee, I am pleased to announce that self-nominations are being accepted for the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections.

The Board of Trustees (Board) is the decision-making body that is ultimately responsible for the long-term sustainability of the Wikimedia Foundation, so we value wide input into its selection. More information about this role can be found on Meta-Wiki. Please read the letter from the Board of Trustees calling for candidates.

The candidacy submission phase will last from April 7 (00:00 UTC) to April 20 (23:59 UTC).

We will also be accepting questions to ask the candidates from April 7 to April 20. You can submit your questions on Meta-Wiki.

Once the questions submission period has ended on April 20, the Elections Committee will then collate the questions for the candidates to respond to beginning on April 21.

The goal of this process is to fill the three community-selected seats on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. The election results will be used by the Board itself to select its new members.

The full schedule for the Board elections is as follows. All dates are inclusive, that is, from the beginning of the first day (UTC) to the end of the last.

April 7 (00:00 UTC) – April 20 (23:59 UTC) – Board nominations
April 7 – April 20 – Board candidates questions submission period
April 21 – April 30 – Board candidates answer questions
May 1 – May 14 – Board voting period
May 15–19 – Board vote checking
May 20 – Board result announcement goal

In addition to the Board elections, we will also soon be holding elections for the following roles:

Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC)
- There are five positions being filled. More information about this election will be available on Meta-Wiki.

Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson (Ombuds)
- One position is being filled. More information about this election will be available on Meta-Wiki.

Please note that this year the Board of Trustees elections will be held before the FDC and Ombuds elections. Candidates who are not elected to the Board are explicitly permitted and encouraged to submit themselves as candidates to the FDC or Ombuds positions after the results of the Board elections are announced.

More information on this year's elections can be found on Meta-Wiki. Any questions related to the election can be posted on the election talk page on Meta-Wiki, or sent to the election committee's mailing list, board-elections wikimedia.org.

On behalf of the Election Committee,
Katie Chan, Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
Joe Sutherland, Community Advocate, Wikimedia Foundation

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Read-only mode for 20 to 30 minutes on 19 April and 3 MayModifica

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The Wikimedia Foundation will be testing its secondary data center in Dallas. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to conduct a planned test. This test will show whether they can reliably switch from one data center to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic to the secondary data center on Wednesday, 19 April 2017. On Wednesday, 3 May 2017, they will switch back to the primary data center.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop during those two switches. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

You will not be able to edit for approximately 20 to 30 minutes on Wednesday, 19 April and Wednesday, 3 May. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Thursday 20 April and Thursday 4 May).
If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
There will be code freezes for the weeks of 17 April 2017 and 1 May 2017. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. Please share this information with your community. /User:Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk)

MediaWiki message delivery (ciciarade) 19:33, 11 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Wikidata description editing in the Wikipedia Android appModifica

Wikidata description editing is a new experiment being rolled out on the Wikipedia app for Android. While this primarily impacts Wikidata, the changes are also addressing a concern about the mobile versions of Wikipedia, so that mobile users will be able to edit directly the descriptions shown under the title of the page and in the search results.

We began by rolling out this feature several weeks ago to a pilot group of Wikipedias (Russian, Hebrew, and Catalan), and have seen very positive results including numerous quality contributions in the form of new and updated descriptions, and a low rate of vandalism.

We are now ready for the next phase of rolling out this feature, which is to enable it in a few days for all Wikipedias except the top ten by usage within the app (i.e. except English, German, Italian, French, Spanish, Japanese, Dutch, Portuguese, Turkish, and Chinese). We will enable the feature for those languages instead at some point in the future, as we closely monitor user engagement with our expanded set of pilot communities. As always, if have any concerns, please reach out to us on wiki at the talk page for this project or by email at reading@wikimedia.org. Thanks!

-DBrant (WMF) 10:41, 14 Avr 2017 (CEST)

New Page previews featureModifica

New Page previews feature

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Hello,

The Reading web team at the Wikimedia Foundation has been working to enable Page previews, a beta feature known previously as Hovercards, as opt-in behavior for logged-in users and the default behavior for logged-out users across Wikipedia projects. Page previews provide a preview of any linked article, giving readers a quick understanding of a related article without leaving the current page. For this project, we are expecting to collect feedback over the following few weeks and tentatively enable the feature in early May, 2017.

A quick note on the implementation:

For logged-in users who are not currently testing out the beta feature, Page previews will be off by default. Users may turn them on from their user preferences page.
For logged-out users, the feature will be on by default. Users may disable it at any time by selecting the setting cog available in each preview.
For users of the Navigation popups gadget, you will not be able to turn on the Page previews feature while using navigational popups. If you would like to try out the Page preview feature, make sure to first turn Navigation popups off prior to turning Page previews on.

You can read more about the feature and the tests we used to evaluate performance, try it out by enabling it from the beta features page, and leave feedback or questions on the talk page.

Thank you, MediaWiki message delivery (ciciarade) 18:52, 19 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Siti Patrimonio dell'UnescoModifica

Gli svedesi hanno indetto un concorso UNESCO Challenge sui Siti Patrimonio dell'Unesco e molti di essi si trovano in Lombardia. (Parco Nazionale delle incisioni rupestri, Città di Mantova e Sabbioneta, Siti palafitticoli preistorici Arco Alpino, Villaggio Crespi d'Adda, Saper fare liutario cremonese, Sacri Monti Piemonte e Lombardia, Ultima Cena Leonardo Da Vinci, Trenino Rosso del Bernina, Monte San Giorgio, "Longobardi in Italia: luoghi del potere") Potrebbe essere un'ottima occasione per farlo sapere.Mizardellorsa (ciciarade) 06:43, 20 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Cosa dovremmo fare? --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 12:46, 20 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Scrivere su Wikipedia in lingua lombarda le voci dei siti patrimonio dell'Unesco, a cominciare ovviamente da quelle che credo vi interessino di più: quelle della Lombardia. Se poi vi iscrivete su meta partecipate pure ai piccoli premi, ma la cosa più importante, mi sembra, far sapere in tanti paesi, che esiste anche una edizione di WP in lingua lombarda.--Mizardellorsa (ciciarade) 14:20, 20 Avr 2017 (CEST)

[@ Mizardellorsa] e per fare la competizione? Non riesco a editare meta... --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 15:42, 20 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Ti aggiungi a https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/UNESCO_Challenge/Participants Buona fortuna Mizardellorsa (ciciarade) 17:35, 20 Avr 2017 (CEST)

Voting has begun in 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees electionsModifica

This is a message from the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee. Translations are available.

Voting has begun for eligible voters in the 2017 elections for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.

The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is the ultimate governing authority of the Wikimedia Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization registered in the United States. The Wikimedia Foundation manages many diverse projects such as Wikipedia and Commons.

The voting phase lasts from 00:00 UTC May 1 to 23:59 UTC May 14. Click here to vote. More information on the candidates and the elections can be found on the 2017 Board of Trustees election page on Meta-Wiki.

On behalf of the Elections Committee,
Katie Chan, Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
Joe Sutherland, Community Advocate, Wikimedia Foundation

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21:14, 3 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Politegh di RegionModifica

Pensi che di categorij comé Categoria:Politegh lombard sien da doperà domà per quej politegh che hinn nassuu prima de l'unità d'Italia e che hinn staa no italian per on temp significativ, per el rest fà la division regionala l'è 'na roba grama per 'sti categorij... --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 13:35, 5 Mag 2017 (CEST)

S'pœderess destinguir sœ la bas de indove i è stait elejids (invece del cumun de nassida):

in rejon --> lombard
parlament nazional --> italian

e meter-ga tœte do se l'è stait e un e l'olter. --Glz19 (ciciarade) 14:04, 5 Mag 2017 (CEST)

A 'sto pont chi mej fà "Politegh regionai lombard" 'me sottacategoria de politega lombarda e lassà politegh lombard per quej che eren de cittadinanza lombarda --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 14:10, 5 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Per me al va ben... Allora in qella categoria ta metet adoma qei del Regn Lombar-Venet? --Glz19 (ciciarade) 16:10, 5 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Beta Feature Two Column Edit Conflict ViewModifica

From May 9, the Two Column Edit Conflict View will be available as a beta feature on all wikis. The Two Column Edit Conflict View is a new interface for the edit conflict resolution page. It highlights differences between the editor's and the conflicting changes to make it easy to copy and paste pieces of the text and resolve the conflict. The feature fulfils a request for a more user-friendly edit conflict resolution from the German Community’s Technical Wishlist. Everyone is invited to test the feature and we hope that it will serve you well!

Birgit Müller (WMDE) 16:42, 8 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Editing News #1—2017Modifica

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Did you know?

Did you know that you can review your changes visually?

When you are finished editing the page, type your edit summary and then choose "Contròla i cambiamèncc che te g'hét fat".

In visual mode, you will see additions, removals, new links, and formatting highlighted. Other changes, such as changing the size of an image, are described in notes on the side.

Click the toggle button to switch between visual and wikitext diffs.

The wikitext diff is the same diff tool that is used in the wikitext editors and in the page history. You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has spent most of their time supporting the 2017 wikitext editor mode which is available inside the visual editor as a Beta Feature, and adding the new visual diff tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. You can find links to the work finished each week at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. Their current priorities are fixing bugs, supporting the 2017 wikitext editor as a beta feature, and improving the visual diff tool.

Recent changesModifica

A new wikitext editing mode is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. The 2017 wikitext editor has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures to enable the Nuova modalità wikitesto.
A new visual diff tool is available in VisualEditor's visual mode. You can toggle between wikitext and visual diffs. More features will be added to this later. In the future, this tool may be integrated into other MediaWiki components. [1]
The team have added multi-column support for lists of footnotes. The <references /> block can automatically display long lists of references in columns on wide screens. This makes footnotes easier to read. You can request multi-column support for your wiki. [2]
You can now use your web browser's function to switch typing direction in the new wikitext mode. This is particularly helpful for RTL language users like Urdu or Hebrew who have to write JavaScript or CSS. You can use Command+Shift+X or Control+Shift+X to trigger this. [3]
The way to switch between the visual editing mode and the wikitext editing mode is now consistent. There is a drop-down menu that shows the two options. This is now the same in desktop and mobile web editing, and inside things that embed editing, such as Flow. [4]
The Categurie item has been moved to the top of the Opzioni pagina menu (from clicking on the "hamburger" icon) for quicker access. [5] There is also now a "Templates used on this page" feature there. [6]
You can now create <chem> tags (sometimes used as <ce>) for chemical formulas inside the visual editor. [7]
Tables can be set as collapsed or un-collapsed. [8]
The Caràter speciàl menu now includes characters for Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics and angle quotation marks (‹› and ⟨⟩) . The team thanks the volunteer developer, Tpt. [9]
A bug caused some section edit conflicts to blank the rest of the page. This has been fixed. The team are sorry for the disruption. [10]
There is a new keyboard shortcut for citations: Control+Shift+K on a PC, or Command+Shift+K on a Mac. It is based on the keyboard shortcut for making links, which is Control+K or Command+K respectively. [11]

Future changesModifica

The team is working on a syntax highlighting tool. It will highlight matching pairs of <ref> tags and other types of wikitext syntax. You will be able to turn it on and off. It will first become available in VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode, maybe late in 2017. [12]
The kind of button used to Famm vedè prima, Famm vedè i cambiament, and finish an edit will change in all WMF-supported wikitext editors. The new buttons will use OOjs UI. The buttons will be larger, brighter, and easier to read. The labels will remain the same. You can test the new button by editing a page and adding &ooui=1 to the end of the URL, like this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Sandbox?action=edit&ooui=1 The old appearance will no longer be possible, even with local CSS changes. [13]
The outdated 2006 wikitext editor will be removed later this year. It is used by approximately 0.03% of active editors. See a list of editing tools on mediawiki.org if you are uncertain which one you use. [14]
If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Grazie!

—Elitre (WMF)

20:05, 12 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Interreg Italia-Svizzera/3Modifica

Nel luglio del 2016 e poi nel settembre dello stesso anno avevo riferito del sogno di partecipare al Bando Interreg Italia-Svizzera. Come tanti altri bandi europei la dotazione finanziaria è molto ricca , ma vincerla è tutt'altro paio di maniche perchè la concorrenza è troppo agguerrita. Qualche passo avanti è stato fatto: è stato presentata una manifestazione di interesse: si è deciso di concentrarsi solo su due filoni: oltre agli itinerari ladini ci sono gli itinerari celtici intesi in senso temporale molto lato dalla civiltà di Golasecca fino alla conquista romana dell'Insubria. Per rispettare le regole del bando si dovrà tener conto non solo dei discorsi culturali, ma anche di come farli conoscere al grosso pubblico e come valorizzarli al fine di suscitare un interesse turistico, comprese le gite scolastiche e gli itinerari didattici. Un breve riassunto della tematiche su wikiversità Non è detto che alla fine arriverà danaro (la concorrenza è troppa), ma credo che solo parlare di certi temi non può che fare bene. Molti di voi, sicuramente, conoscono l'argomento molto bene. Si accettano perciò tutti i suggerimenti. Molto del materiale che sarà raccolto potrà essere utile a voi per voci in lingua lombarda. Da parte mia prometto, se la cosa suscita interesse, di dare un costante aggiornamento sull'evoluzione, speriamo positiva.Mizardellorsa (ciciarade) 21:24, 12 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Prototype for editing Wikidata infoboxes on WikipediaModifica

Hello,

I’m sorry for writing in English. It’d be great if someone could translate this message if necessary.

One of the most requested features for Wikidata is to enable editing of Wikidata’s data directly from Wikipedia, so the editors can continue their workflow without switching websites.

The Wikidata development team has been working on a tool to achieve this goal: fill and edit the Wikipedia infoboxes with information from Wikidata, directly on Wikipedia, via the Visual Editor.

We already asked for feedback in 2015, and collected some interesting ideas which we shared with you in this thesis. Now we would like to present to you our first prototype and collect your feedback, in order to improve and continue the development of this feature.

We present this work to you very early, so we can include your feedback before and all along the development. You are the core users of this feature, so we want to make sure that it fits your needs and editing processes.

You will find the prototype, description of the features, and a demo video, on this page. Feel free to add any comment or feedback on the talk page. The page is currently not translated in every languages, but you can add your contribution by helping to translate it.

Unfortunately, I won’t be able to follow all the discussions on Wikipedia, so if you want to be sure that your feedback is read, please add it on the Wikidata page, in your favorite language. Thanks for your understanding.

Thanks, Lea Lacroix (WMDE)

RevisionSliderModifica

RevisionSlider will be available as a default feature for all users on all wikis from May 17. The RevisionSlider adds a slider view to the diff page so that you can easily move between revisions. The slider view is collapsed by default, and will load by clicking on it. It can also be turned off entirely in the user preferences. RevisionSlider has been a default feature on German, Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedia for 6 months and a beta feature on all wikis for 8 months. The feature fulfills a wish from the German Community’s Technical Wishlist. Thanks to everyone who tested RevisionSlider and gave valuable feedback to improve the feature! We hope that RevisionSlider will continue to serve you well in your work.

Birgit Müller (WMDE) 16:44, 16 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Join the next cycle of Wikimedia movement strategy discussions (underway until June 12)Modifica

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The Wikimedia movement strategy core team and working groups have completed reviewing the more than 1800 thematic statements we received from the first discussion. They have identified 5 themes that were consistent across all the conversations - each with their own set of sub-themes. These are not the final themes, just an initial working draft of the core concepts.

You are invited to join the online and offline discussions taking place on these 5 themes. This round of discussions will take place between now and June 12th. You can discuss as many as you like; we ask you to participate in the ones that are most (or least) important to you.

Here are the five themes, each has a page on Meta-Wiki with more information about the theme and how to participate in that theme's discussion:

On the movement strategy portal on Meta-Wiki, you can find more information about each of these themes, their discussions, and how to participate.

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23:09, 16 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Start of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee electionsModifica

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On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee, we are pleased to announce that self-nominations are being accepted for the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee and Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson elections. Please read the letter from the Wikimedia Foundation calling for candidates at on the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation elections portal.

Funds Dissemination Committee
The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) makes recommendations about how to allocate Wikimedia movement funds to eligible entities. There are five positions being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC elections page.

Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson
The Funds Dissemination Committee Ombudsperson receives complaints and feedback about the FDC process, investigates complaints at the request of the Board of Trustees, and summarizes the investigations and feedback for the Board of Trustees on an annual basis. One position is being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC Ombudsperson elections page.

The candidacy submission phase will last until May 28 (23:59 UTC).

We will also be accepting questions to ask the candidates until May 28. You can submit your questions on Meta-Wiki. Once the questions submission period has ended on May 28, the Elections Committee will then collate the questions for the candidates to respond to.

The goal of this process is to fill the five community-selected seats on the Wikimedia Foundation Funds Dissemination Committee and the community-selected ombudsperson. The election results will be used by the Board itself to make the appointments.

The full schedule for the FDC elections is as follows. All dates are inclusive, that is, from the beginning of the first day (UTC) to the end of the last.

May 15 (00:00 UTC) – May 28 (23:59 UTC) – Nominations
May 15 – May 28 – Candidates questions submission period
May 29 – June 2 – Candidates answer questions
June 3 – June 11 – Voting period
June 12–14 – Vote checking
June 15 – Goal date for announcing election results

More information on this year's elections can be found at the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation elections portal.

Please feel free to post a note about the election on your project's village pump. Any questions related to the election can be posted on the talk page on Meta-Wiki, or sent to the election committee's mailing list, board-elections wikimedia.org.

On behalf of the Election Committee,
Katie Chan, Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
Joe Sutherland, Community Advocate, Wikimedia Foundation

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23:05, 23 Mag 2017 (CEST)

Lombard Input MethodModifica

Finalmente dopo un bel po' di tempo s'è concluso l'iter per quello piemontese, dunque, se siete interessati, si potrebbe riprendere questa vecchia discussione...--GatoSelvadego (ciciarade) 17:31, 4 Giü 2017 (CEST)

A me va bene. I nostri caratteri speciali sono ô, ö, ü e ç. --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 18:21, 4 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Beh, la ç c'è su tutte le tastiere. Per il resto appena la piemontese entra in funzione vediamo come va e poi si agisce di conseguenza.--GatoSelvadego (ciciarade) 18:26, 4 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Servirebbero anche la ó, la œ e la ï (usata nella grafia del ducato, anche se solo in una manciata di parole). Tutte sia maiuscole che minuscole. --Glz19 (ciciarade) 18:51, 4 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Intanto se volete potete provare quello piemontese, che qualcuno dei caratteri che serve anche a voi c'è (ö, ü, ó - maiuscole e minuscolo) e così vediamo se va bene anche a voi quelle combinazioni di tasti per generarle (le dieresi si fanno battendo : prima della lettera, tipo così: :e; mentre per la ó i piemontesi hanno optato per ,o - NdA noi veneti invece per una doppia ò)...--GatoSelvadego (ciciarade) 00:33, 11 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Ho fatto qualche prova, veramente fatti bene! Per l'accento acuto nel minuscolo mi sembra più comoda la vostra (doppia ò), però poi non diventa un problema quando dev'essere maiuscola? Per la ô terrei la soluzione piemontese (^o), che loro usano per ĝ e un altro paio di consonanti, per la œ si potrebbe usare \oe --Glz19 (ciciarade) 14:27, 12 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Ho visto il tuo passaggio su vec.wiki ;), potevi testarli anche direttamente qua comunque (e se aggiornassero pure l'estensione per il browser potresti farlo anche fuori dalle wiki nella normale navigazione... peccato però che lì le lingue aggiunte più recentemente non funzionano). Per la ó: usando solitamente Linux dove premendo maiusc ti fa le maiuscole anche delle accentate all'epoca non m'ero posto il problema, ma effettivamente scrivendo da Win... Forse si potrebbe ovviare con òO?--GatoSelvadego (ciciarade) 17:31, 12 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Accidenti, non ero al corrente di tutte queste potenzialità! Sarebbe bello anche esportarlo fuori dalla wiki, come pacchetto scaricabile. Comunque anch'io uso Linux, ma dovendo utilizzare qualche volta Windows ho ben presente il problema;) Dato che c'è lo stesso problema anche con la È ed É maiuscole, si potrebbe pensare di includere anche loro (anche se in realtà è un problema che ha in generale la tastiera italiana). Proposta (ovviamente IMHO):

ö Ö ü Ü ï Ï	ô Ô	ó Ó	œ Œ	facoltative: Ò É È
:o :O :u :U :i :I	^o ^O	òò \òò	\oe \\oe	\ò \é \è

--Glz19 (ciciarade) 20:10, 12 Giü 2017 (CEST)

[@ Sciking] dove viene usata la ô? So che in alcune versioni della milanese si usava la â, ma lo ô non l'ho mai vista. Mi viene il dubbio che intendessi semplicemente ó ed ò :) --Glz19 (ciciarade) 20:13, 12 Giü 2017 (CEST)

el sô, el piscô, el resgiô --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 20:49, 12 Giü 2017 (CEST)

@Glz19: l'estensione per Chrome e Firefox c'è già, ma funziona solo per l'Hindi e le lingue di quelle parti (perché il tool l'hanno sviluppato loro, e hanno creato l'estensione per Browser una volta sistemati i loro metodi e non l'hanno più aggiornata, credo), forse anche per l'esperanto e qualche lingua europea (ovvero tutte quelle che erano già a posto nel 2013, quando han fatto l'ultimo aggiornamento). Magari chiedendo agli sviluppatori su github un aggiornamento potrebbero anche farlo...

Per il resto \OE non sarebbe più pratico di \\oe? Per le facoltative: è così frequente ritrovarle ad inizio parola? Se non ne vale la pena, cioè se si trovano in pochi casi, si può lasciare l'inserimento normale (caratteri speciali)...--GatoSelvadego (ciciarade) 22:29, 12 Giü 2017 (CEST)

PS: dimenticavo, va poi tenuto conto se può servire far comparire proprio quelle combinazioni... tipo se serve scrivere proprio òò... per la versione veneta abbiamo usato la H come carattere per generare le combinazioni, e l'abbiamo fatto perché quei caratteri sono sostitutivi proprio dei digrammi con la H (es. si può scrivere ẑ ma anche zh, đ ma anche dh). Questo però ha portato all'esigenza di creare anche combinazioni per scrivere i digrammi (metti che devo scrivere un toponimo straniero) ed abbiamo fatto per esempio così: zh per scrive ẑ, zhh per scrive zh etc... Nel vostro caso comunque se le combinazioni sono quelle (cioè se usate caratteri che non sono lettere) non dovrebbe esserci questa esigenza.--GatoSelvadego (ciciarade) 22:44, 12 Giü 2017 (CEST)

In effetti piuttosto che \\oe è meglio \OE. Per le facoltative: penso che la frequenza sia leggermente maggiore che in italiano (visto che in alcune grafie lombarde praticamente ogni parola va accentata), ma non è un grosso problema. Riguardo alle combinazioni: credo che \ non sia usato nella sintassi wiki (tranne nel modulo latex, es. <math>\tau</math> -->

\tau

), così come ^, e credo sia piuttosto improbabile imbattersi in parole con una doppia ò. Il problema rimane per :, che viene usato nella sintassi, oltre che per il rientro (che può essere risolto semplicemente lasciando uno spazio) anche per i link (esempio --> :it:Utente:Glz19 --> ïtÜtente:Glz19). O si usa una combinazione diversa (ad esempio \opp, oppure \:o --> ö) oppure semplicemente si toglie l'imput method in quei casi. --Glz19 (ciciarade) 11:24, 13 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Si, anche perché l'uso dei due punti è più intuitivo (lo usa anche l'input method tedesco) e sicuramente va messo prima della lettera (perché i due punti in un testo vanno separati da uno spazio prima della lettera successiva, ma vanno attaccati alla lettera precedente). Certo c'è il problema che segnali ma è sufficiente disabilitare momentaneamente il metodo o più semplicemente fare uno spazio e poi cancellarlo... Ad ogni modo si può anche pensare ad una combinazione tipo :i\ che faccia comparire :i...--GatoSelvadego (ciciarade) 17:42, 13 Giü 2017 (CEST)

In effetti non avevo pensato alla possibilità dello spazio temporaneo. Per comodità comunque creare anche :i\ --> :i mi sembra un'ottima idea. --Glz19 (ciciarade) 18:44, 13 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Wikiliber LombardiaModifica

Alora gent, pensavi che 'l saria bell fà on WikiLiber in su la storia lombarda, magara anca de stampà e regalà ai gent o in di scoeur! Donca, che vos boeugnaria mettegh dent per vialter? Giontee i vos in ordin cronologich. --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 13:51, 9 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Però ol Wikiliber al g'ha di bug se regorde mìa mal, per esempe tœts i infobox i và vià... --Glz19 (ciciarade) 14:12, 9 Giü 2017 (CEST)

magara droeuvom 'n alter software --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 21:38, 9 Giü 2017 (CEST)

VosModifica

Quando i sarà finide segond mé al saress bell caçar-ga dent pò qeste:

Femm foeura i provinccModifica

No no, parli no de 'na reforma :D Incoeu i vos in sui provincc hinn faa in d'ona grafia de koinè che l'è mia bona per la Wikipedia. Se ja scassom e i femm cont on bot in grafia giusta ve va ben? --Sciking (dìmm tuscòss) 16:00, 22 Giü 2017 (CEST)

Per mé al và ben --Glz19 (ciciarade) 17:25, 22 Giü 2017 (CEST)

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